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  • Ein erster erfahrungsbericht von jemanden der nach den neue Regeln gespielt hat.

    So our LGS got in the 5th Edition preview copy and what a time we have had! As you can see from those pics, we've rolled out some of our favorite toys (included mkerr's new Macharius Vulcan) and put the new rules through the ringer.

    Continuing on the heels of my earlier thread of 5th edition thoughts, I figured you would want to hear some more about my impressions after seeing and playing several more games.

    1) Maneuvering: I touched on this last time, but lets go over it again in detail. Learning to maneuver to minimize intervening friendlies to maximize your firepower, while presenting as many interleaving units to your opponent (including his own troops) is a key skill which must be learned. You are going to force yourself to relearn how to move your units to give the enemy as few 4+ cover saves as possible while maximizing your own armies 4+ saves. Its a delicate dance and is much trickier than it seems.

    Right on up there in this department are tall units blazing away over slightly shorter ones (such as fire support dreadnoughts firing over rhinos they are advancing behind), as well as the tricks that you can pull off with any unit which can move in the assault phase like eldar jetbikes, and tau jetpacks. Running with key units at the end of the your armies firing phase can also help.

    2) True Los: This one is easy to learn but hard to master. You get used to it after only a few games, but boy are most LGS's going to need to do a "terrain week" pretty soon. Most places I've been to have way to little full LoS blocking terrain to give vehicles something to get obscured behind, and a way to much area terrain that now doesn't block LoS. The results are tons of cover saves for infantry, and dead vehicles. I predict a tidal-wave of tall hill, solid impassible forest/hedge, and zigurrat production in the near future.


    3) Cover Saves: These are just everywhere now, and as such, have given a huge boost to anything that can ignore them. Things such as crack shot, and template weapons and the like are vastly improved. Tau airbursting flechettes, heavy flamers, and the like are to be feared. I would like to make a special note of the IG Hellhound which is the new bane of the open/area terrain tabletop. It only takes one game of a Hellhound firing through multiple forests to incinerate groups of Aspect Warriors on the far side with no cover saves allowed before folks start working on solid walls and other such impassible cover.

    4) Speed: The game is much more freewheeling now, with run giving lots of units a new lease on life. Lots of dog slow units which had to plod across the table or just were useless if caught out of position like Striking Scorpions, IG Heavy Weapon Teams, and even Ogryns can now get in there much faster and reposition with minimal loss of time.

    5) Assaults: Fast, brutal, and deadly as all get out. Dedicated high quality assault units such as Assault terminators, banshees and the like will routinely completely destroy their target units ans sweep them with huge negative Ld modifiers (we saw several -9 Ld tests just tonight). The skill is not getting the key units into assault, but to hit an area of the enemy army en masse so they cannot effectively recover and easily blow the assault force away as it is caught in the open. Unsupported assaults are short lived and doomed to ultimate failure.

    6) Missions: The new scoring units status really shines a light on Troops. Their ability to contest down to the last model is spectacular, and lots of maligned units such as guardian jetbikes, full sized IG infantry platoons and the like are now worth their weight in gold. Secondarily the flanking ability gained by any infiltrator or scout unit turns a lot of average units such as sentinels and war walkers into much more flexible and threatening foes.

    quelle: belloflostsouls.blogspot.com/
  • Hm wenn die marines alle Ultra abzeichen haben dann kann ich die Box ja voll in die Tonne hauen, vorallem wenn da noch nich mal alle regeln drinne sind.

    Ich werd mir das Regelbuch auf jedenfall kaufen, allerdings auf Englisch.
  • also die dünnen regelbücher der grundbox waren ja noch okay, aber wenn das stimmt, was da steht, zweifel ich ja mal echt an gw.

    was soll ich denn mit einem halben regelbuch ohne missionen. das ist ja mal nix wert. sonst konnte man sie ja wenigstens noch mitnehmen zu auswärtsspielen um nicht so viel zu schleppen aber so.... X(
  • Mal wider Neuigkeiten von GW, und nicht die Besten.

    "Hi all,

    Today we hear the following hints and whispers regarding the upcoming release:


    RULEBOOK


    You may ?Run? after deepstriking
    Deepstrike Mishap Table (roll when you scatter onto other models or off table) is 1-2: Dead, 3-4: Opponent places your models down, 5-6: Units get placed into reserve again.
    Turn 5 your reserves automatically come on (unless they were placed back in Reserve)
    Swarms have an amended USR to state they are never scoring.
    All models regardless of whether they are scoring or not can still contest objectives

    BOXED SET
    Yet more information points to a very cut down rulebook that only allows play with the included models. The transport rules for example are not included, and none of the basic missions at all.

    Mist

    Ultramarines

    1 Marine Captain with Powersword. Very ornate with a large cape many tassels. He amazingly has hair!
    10 Marine Tactical Squad. Sergeant with Bolt pistol and CCW. Missile Launcher, Flamer. ~the old school classic
    1 Dreadnought: Multimelta and Stormbolter.
    5 Terminators: 1 Sergeant with Powersword. The squad has Stormbolters and Powerfists with no heavy weapon provided. ~I believe you get some spare heavy weapons with the standard Terminator boxed set so making 2 squads should still work out normally

    The marines are described as exceptional and you will have a difficult time telling them apart from the fully poseable models. Skuttlebutt says these have tactical symbols and and Ultramarine symbol molded onto them.
    Wenn die alle Ultramarine Symbole haben, brauch ich die Starterbox schon nicht mehr

    Orks

    Ork Warboss is VERY LARGE. He?s armed with a twin-linked shoota and Klaw. He is holding his power klaw out to the side pointing with one of the claws.
    20 Ork boyz split into two 10-boy mobs. Each has a big shoota. Reportedly indistinguishable from the regular ork boyz.
    5 Nobs: All are armed with slugga & choppa. Large models.
    3 Deff Koptas: AMAZING! The standouts of the boxed set. They are described to be very much like the one depicted in the ork codex. Standard orky construction with spare parts and bitz all over. State of the art detail for snap-fit models.
    Für die Orks hört sich das ja richtig gut an
  • Die Box wird um die 90? Kosten genau so wie die Collector's Edition (Ein ganz edles Regelbuch)

    Gesammt soll es 4 Verschiedene Versionen des Regelwerks geben:

    Hardcover Rulebook
    Gamers's Edition (In der Box mit den Markern)
    Collector's Edition (Edele Ausgabe)
    5th Edition Boxed Set (mit minis)
  • das ist aber nur das regelbuch mit den markern und schablonen in der schicken box. blöd wenn man dann auch noch mal die starterbox kaufen muss wegen den ganzen figuren für wenig geld. :( gibts vielleicht auch was von ratio...
  • Kommt gut das Böxli!

    Die vielen verschiedenen Marker lassen im Übrigen angenehme Erinnerungen an die 2. Edi aufleben. :)

    Vielleicht wird das ja wieder mal ein vernünftiges 40k Produkt von GW..... zur Abwechslung. :)
  • Ausserdem führt das bloß zu noch mehr Diskussionen am Spieltisch - soll ich schätzen, wieviel von dem Phantomlord verdeckt werden würde, wenn er aufrecht stehen täte?

    Geht ja noch relativ einfach, wenn man ein aufrechtes Modell dahat und es hinstellen kann zwecks Vergleich, aber was mach ich, wenn ich nur den knienden hab? Raten? Würfeln? Super Idee!
  • Original von Mascharius
    Ich werd nur noch kniende Marines nehmen, die sind kleiner und passe über all hinter und drunter :P


    Es wird immer die originalgröße des modells genommen, egal was du modellierst. Wurde in einen FAQ geklärt, da es in mode gekommen war kniende phantomlords zu bauen :D