k guys, here are a few more rumours for you. Keep in mind this is from a store manager but they might provide some nice discussion as he confirmed having a copy of the codex for himself.

All cult champions are getting a new model with the Khorne champ arriving first.

Abbadon is apparantly ungodly good in the new codex. Manager compared him to how amazing Archaeon is in fantasy. Said he was 'just incredibly sick'. Sorry no details on that though

Daemons are NOT markable and are in fact not daemons as we know them currently but rather more along the lines of bound daemons, warp entities who are bound to a host or something similar. The explanation was that GW wants this codex to be Codex: Chaos Space Marines not Codex: Chaos and as such, the focus is entirely on the marines themselves.

Greater daemons are generic stats as mentioned but some of the stats were (and forgive me if I have gotten these a bit mixed up) things like WS9, Str8, In5, etc. He told me that while we won't have Bloodthirsters and Lords of Change like we do now, greater daemons will still be deadly in a big way.

Daemon weapons are there as mentioned with the same stats all the way around for a basic one, but there ARE god weapons. Khorne weapon becomes +2D6 hits, the Nurgle one always wounds on a 4+, the Tzeentch weapon is a S4 or 5, AP3 storm bolter or similar (wasn't super clear on this one but basically said it was a better Kai gun), and the Slaanesh one causes instant death regardless of wounds (he thought this applied to Nids as well). They are also counted as 2 handed weapons.

The armoury is gone only in the sense of there being one huge page of stuff to take. Now all the options it would have contained are in each individual unit entry for easier use. According to him, the Chaos Lord entry is similar to the Carnifex entry, with nearly 3/4's of the page given over to all the options he can take. Told me that Lords have just as much choice as before if not a little more.

Deamon Princes are all S6, T5 now and are immune to instant kill. The rumours of the gifts they have already posted were pretty much dead on with the Prince having the option to buy wings and maybe a couple other things. Cannot take deamon weapons but apparantly make up for it in just sheer power on their own. Cost before the few upgrades allowed is -just- above 100 or so apparantly.

Vehicle upgrades ARE still in the book (whoo hoo, first confirmation of this afaik). Most are the same as now however, Daemonic Possession has been slightly altered (didn't say how) and Mutated Hull is completely removed.

Defilers are as stated in this thread but are no longer monstrous creatures (still S10 however). May fleet and exchange its arm weapons for ccws and comes with 3 base attacks. WS has also been beefed up quite a bit as well.

There WILL be a codex down the road that focuses on cultists, Latd, and daemons which is where you will see the return of the daemons we all know and love now.

That is all I can remember for the moment but I thought I would share it with all of you. I did find it interesting that he found 'all those internet threads moaning about chaos being nerfed and sucking' to be 'hilarious'. His words were 'I think this is the best Chaos codex yet written'. Take that as you will.

Original von jasokuhl
Auch die Khorne Waffe mit +2W6 Attacken find ich arg. Der geht dann durch die Armee wie Schnitter durch Korn... mit Stärke 6 8o.
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