Chaos (Sterbliche) Gerüchte

      Hab ich noch vergessen


      Lord of Chaos can be mounted on horse, daemon, dragon, or a big (but not large target) monster thing.


      So ähnlich ist es ja auch bei den Vampiren. Statt ein NAchtmahr, haben sie irgentein Untotenviech.

      Die Chaosgeneräle können demnach die lang erwartete Chimäre einsetzte. Eine die nicht Schießt.


      Und noch weiteres:

      From The Warhammer Forum:
      Originally Posted by Vladamir
      Hey guys, got some info about the upcoming hordes of chaos white dwarf update:

      Chaos chariots and knights are special choices, chariots have dropped down to 100 points

      Marks are the same, with some points changes. Mok may not generate dispel dice, but costs signifigantly less.

      No furies

      Chaos warriors have dropped in points (down to 12 )

      Cost to upgrade a unit to chosen costs 1 point less

      No daemons

      Might still be able to ally with beasts

      Hellcannon is an army choice now! Still takes up 2 rares though...

      Thats it for now. Quite pleased with the changes to the points cost of the warriors, but not happy with some of the choices



      More info, in order of reliability:

      Mark of Nurgle is scads cheaper. (at last!)
      Sorcerers can have the Mark of Tzeentch - I think it gives them some sort of re-roll.
      Mark of Khorne only generates Dispel Dice for characters.

      Daemon Prince might still be available.

      Chaos GIANT will be in the list as a Rare.

      Flayerkin will supposedly NOT be in the list. IF they are, they will be altered to be more generic beserkers than Skaven siege-weapons, and they might not even be called Flayerkin.
      Although yes, the Hellcannon will be. (with a nice Fluff blurb about Chaos Dwarfs)

      There will be a Magic Item (sacrificial knife?) that is related to the Zealot class from Age of Reckoning.

      Chaos Spawn are the same, although their Marks may have changed a little to be more in line with the effects of Daemonic Loci.

      Marauders will not have access to Marks.
      However, a new Core (or Special?) infantry unit, Cultists, will have access to slightly altered (Spawn-esque) Marks. They will be less 'Fighty' than the Marauders, with no armour, less WS/I, and only access to 2HW and Flails. The pictures for them are apparently converted Flagellants, so there might not be new models?

      Allying with Beasts of Chaos and Daemons of Chaos is possible, but requires Magic Items. Chalice of Chaos (?) allows you to take some Daemonic units as Special, and Totem of Chaos (?) allows you to take some Beast units as Special.

      Mutants were mentioned - possibly as character upgrades (unlikely), a new Special unit in line with the Age of Reckoning Marauders (possible), or even a unit in the next Beasts of Chaos book (no idea). Might be the same unit as Cultists/Marked Cultists, and I'm just confusing them.



      Okay, a wee bit confused but far more knowledgeable, I managed to talk to the guy who says he's seen the early version of the list.
      Unfortunately, he's an exclusive 40,000 player, who wouldn't know a Movement value from a longbow, and only got a glance.

      What I gathered was enough to muddy the waters on the Mutant/Flayerkin/Berserker issue even further.

      Apparently there are (along with the Chariot and Knights) three new special choices, described as (and I quote) "Marauders, Mutants, and Mutant Marauders". Obliviously this seems to refer to Mutants, Flayerkin/Berserkers, and a new Marauder unit (those of you who want a more Northern theme, rejoice).

      Or, given his confusion, it might refer to two new units - either Mutant Marauders and Mutants, or Marauders and Mutant Marauders.



      The list is going to be in White Dwarf in about a month and a half (the same issue as Mordor release, the one after Daemons) so it has definitely been written and probably gone to print.

      I'm saying it's in the Mordor issue because the poster in my local GW for the current 3 month sub offer has a picture of the cover for the Mordor release issue and it has in the list of main articles "Warriors of Chaos Army List".



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      From The Warhammer Forum:
      Originally Posted by Vladamir

      No daemons


      Und aus deinen vorherigen gerüchten:

      Quote:
      The redshirt asked about the daemon book, and daemon Princes are still around, and they let you take daemon units as special!

      Tja die Dämonen sind also nach wie vor umstritten.
      Jeder muss einmal sterben, vielleicht sogar ich.


      Hi !
      Hmm gefällt mir nicht so gut diese Änderungen, vor allem weil Chaosritter und der SW zu Elite werden...

      Aber gut, solange es noch Chaosbarbarenreiter und chaoshunde gibt mit denen ich die Kernauswahlen belegen kann lässt sich ne Ritterliste weiterhin Spielen.

      Vielleicht lass ich aber den SW den ich eigentlich nür fürs Tzeentchmal kaufen will und geb ne Minimum-Einheit Chaoskriger rein fürs Mal, aber schauen wir mal wie das AB dann wirklich aussieht.
      mfg
      Skavengarf
      The Omnissah gives power - The Emperor protects
      Schlachtruf der Darksteel Warriors
      Meine gespielten Systeme und Armeen:
      Warhammer 40.000: Space Marines, Chaos Space Marines, Dämonen, Astra Millitarum, Adeptus Sororitas, Adeptus Mechanicus, Imperial Knights
      Age of Sigmar: Chaos
      Epic Armageddon: Orks
      Battlefleet Gothic: Orks, Adeptus Mechanicus, Space Marines
      Blood Bowl Teams: Orks
      Warmachine/Hordes: Convergence of Cyriss, Mercenaries, Circle of Orboros

      Ich denke nicht dass Hunde zu dem Minimum an Kerneinheiten zählen werden. Todeswölfe tun es ja auch nicht.
      Es wird einfach oft eine 3xBarbreiter-Liste gesehen werden in Zukunft denk ich. Wenn die noch ein paar Ausrüstungoptionen Mehr (Bögen!) kriegen würden wäre das sogar ganz vertretbar IMHO.
      Fields of Glory auch für die Steiermark!

      VOTE CTHULHU FOR PRESIDENT! - Why choose the lesser evil?
      Rejoice! For very BAD things are about zu happen!


      Original von Earin Shaad
      Ich denke nicht dass Hunde zu dem Minimum an Kerneinheiten zählen werden. Todeswölfe tun es ja auch nicht.
      Es wird einfach oft eine 3xBarbreiter-Liste gesehen werden in Zukunft denk ich. Wenn die noch ein paar Ausrüstungoptionen Mehr (Bögen!) kriegen würden wäre das sogar ganz vertretbar IMHO.


      Ja stimmt hab voll vergessen dass die Hunde nicht zum Minimum zählen.
      Und Kurzbögen bei den Barbarenreitern würde ich auch ganz gut finden, und fluffig ist es allemal :)

      Und wenn die Chaoskrieger billiger werden dann kann man die vielleicht auch verwenden um eben ein Mal mehr zu haben wegen Charaktermodellen (mal des Tzeentch ist jetzt nicht so das mal dass ich Chaosrittern geben würde)
      Und wenn sie Z.B Spielfeldviertel halten dann sind sie ihre Punkte allemal Wert :)
      mfg
      Skavengarf
      The Omnissah gives power - The Emperor protects
      Schlachtruf der Darksteel Warriors
      Meine gespielten Systeme und Armeen:
      Warhammer 40.000: Space Marines, Chaos Space Marines, Dämonen, Astra Millitarum, Adeptus Sororitas, Adeptus Mechanicus, Imperial Knights
      Age of Sigmar: Chaos
      Epic Armageddon: Orks
      Battlefleet Gothic: Orks, Adeptus Mechanicus, Space Marines
      Blood Bowl Teams: Orks
      Warmachine/Hordes: Convergence of Cyriss, Mercenaries, Circle of Orboros

      Allerdings gibt es Stimmen die meinen das ganze "Auseinanderhalten" der Götter fällt bei den Sterblichen ebenso weg, wie es bei den Dämonen weggefallen ist. Also das man z.B. einen Khornegeneral haben kann und sonst nur Slaanesheinheiten.
      Ich persönlich wäre da dagegen, auch wenn es Chaos stärker machen würde. Außerdem denke ich nicht dass es wirklich so kommt.
      Fields of Glory auch für die Steiermark!

      VOTE CTHULHU FOR PRESIDENT! - Why choose the lesser evil?
      Rejoice! For very BAD things are about zu happen!


      Frohlocket! Und dann schließt euch mir beim Erbrechen in die Ecke an!


      Jemand auf TWF hat Folgendes gepostet:

      Ok - Just had a phone convo with someone who had the new white dwarf
      sat in front of them. New white dwarf list includes.

      Lords
      Chaos lord
      Chaos sorcerer
      Daemon Prince

      DP seemed to be the Hordes DP (fly/terror) but with true ward save.
      However he had NO access to any gifts.

      Mark of Khorne gave MR1 and frenzy
      Mark of Slaanesh gave ItP
      Nurgle gave fear (think still +1W but didn't ask)
      Tzeentch costs 10 points and gave a 6+ ward......?!!! Goodbye warrior
      mage.(20 points for units to have 6+ ward)

      Heroes
      same

      Core
      Warriors 12 points, + 5 chosen (one unit). Same stats.
      Marauders, same
      Warhounds, same

      That's it. No cultists.

      Special
      Marauder Horsemen
      Chariots
      Knights

      Rare
      Hellcannon
      Spawn
      Chaos Giant.

      Magic Items
      Most have been thrown away with nothing to replace them. All magic
      items including the common ones fit on a single page.

      There were no decent weapons and the sword which used to turn you into
      a GD now just adds +1 to a few stats.

      Armour
      Didn't notice any changes here except the +1T armour may have disappeared.

      Talisman
      Crown of Regen and Golden Eye. That's it.

      Enchanted.
      Helm was still about

      Arcane
      Staff of Change gone up to 70 points plus can only be used for casting.
      Power familiar renamed chaos famililar and down to 40 points.
      Skull of Katam still the same.
      Think spell familiar disappeared as did everything else.

      Banner.
      125 stubborn banner and banner of wrath power Lv 5. That's it.




      Ich hoffe einfach mal auf einen sehr schlechten Scherz.
      Fields of Glory auch für die Steiermark!

      VOTE CTHULHU FOR PRESIDENT! - Why choose the lesser evil?
      Rejoice! For very BAD things are about zu happen!


      Was mir gleich einmal auffällt ist das die Barbarenreiter Elite sind.
      Wenn die Hunde also nicht zur Mindestauswahl zählen verpflichtet das ganze nun also zu 2-3 Infanterieblöcken, oder sehe ich das falsch ?
      Wäre wohl nicht so fein für die Chaosspieler.
      Mfg Nighty
      "Wir, die Willigen, geführt von den Unwissenden, vollbringen das Unmögliche für die Undankbaren.
      Wir haben soviel mit sowenig schon so lange vollbracht, das wir qualifiziert sind, alles mit nichts zu erreichen."

      Andi: "Don´t let the hope drive !"
      Nightbringer: Bitte was ?
      Andi: Ja "Lass die Hoffnung nicht fahren !"

      Ich seh da schon meine Chaosliste vor mir: Kern aus 30 Chaosbarbaren mit gar nix, ein paar Hunde, jede menge Ritter, hochgepuschter Lord mit ein paar Zauberern und ein Todbringer. Oh man, Da hat GW echt mist gebaut, da werden die Chaosarmeen ohn Flieger und Dämonen ja noch schneller abgeschossen als bisher.

      Ja hallo? Das ist ja auch eine Sterblichen Liste...... :)

      Wenn Ihr Dämonenflieger wollt, spielt Dämonen. :)
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      * Ö. Meister 40k - 2003-2005
      * ÖMS 40k- Best General - 2005
      * 7x40k Tagesturnier 1.
      * "eine Gefahr für dieses Forum" <- Zitat Eusebio

      "Sicarius was imperious as he killed. He was ambition and arrogance, he was skill and courage personified, he was guile and reckless bravura. He was Ultramar."

      Wir wollen keine Dämonenflieger, wir wollen irgendwelche Flieger. Wo sind die alten Harpien?

      Und wo wir schon dabei sind, es gibt wieder neue Gerüchte:



      Well, I got a chance to read with my own eyes the new Chaos list today. Fortunately, I also had my current Armies Book on hand to compare with, and a handy pen and notepad to note down any changes.

      Suffice to say that the rumours at the start of this thread appear to be only the tip of the iceberg in terms of lousiness?


      GENERAL CHANGES

      The list contains no Cultists. No mention of them at all. In fact, there are no more Mortal units added to the very tiny number previously in HoC at all, unless you count the Giant and Hellcannon.

      It?s worth adding though, that the new list removes many options for Chaos players, such as Bloodletters, Bestigors, Daemonettes, Great Unclean Ones, Shaggoths, Ogres, Horrors, Screamers, Minotaurs, Nurglings, Dragon Ogres, Bloodthirsters, Tuskgor Chariots, Keepers of Secrets, Centigors, Plaguebearers, Furies, Lords of Change, Flesh Hounds and some other stuff besides. So, you know, a lot.


      MARKS

      First of all, the Mark of Chaos Undivided is gone.

      The Marks have the same effects for Lords, Heroes, Warriors, Knights and Chariots (Daemon Princes are the sole exception). Sorry, don?t have points costs.

      Khorne ? Frenzy. Proper frenzy that affects mounts, not the bizarre ?only exception in the whole of Warhammer? old frenzy they used to have. Dispel dice are gone (no Magic Resistance either).

      Nurgle ? Fear (no extra wounds)

      Slaanesh ? Immune to Psychology

      Tzeentch ? 6+ Ward Save. Sorcerers can choose from any Lores in the Warhammer rulebook.

      And whilst we?re on the subject of Lores? the Lores of Nurgle, Slaanesh and Tzeentch are gone. Non-Tzeentch Sorcerers can choose from Fire, Death and Shadow. I was hoping they?d retain some level of coolness and bring back the option for Heavens (like in the old Ravening Hordes list), but alas, that would be too imaginative.

      The Mark of your General has no effect upon Army Composition and units can be mixed in the army freely. Feel free to abuse the Chaos background as you see fit.


      LORDS

      The list has three Lord options, and indeed three options for Heroes, Core, Special and Rare too. 15 options in the whole army?Christ?

      Chaos Lords have the same statline as currently and, as with every character in the list bar Daemon Princes, are 10 points cheaper. Nothing much to say here except that their weapons options are preposterously expensive ? 20 points for a great weapon, 15 for a halberd, extra hand weapon and flail. The award for ?most amusingly and blisteringly stupid decision of the list? goes to the person who decided to make a shield cost 15 points for a Lord, when the Enchanted Shield is still available for 10?

      Exalted Sorcerers are 10 points cheaper and use the Lores mentioned previously.

      Both these two have access to a Chaos Dragon, which has exactly the same stats and points cost as present. Breath weapon attacks have been tweaked though ? one is Strength 3, the other is Strength 2 and Armour Piercing.

      Chaos Steeds are unchanged. Daemonic Mounts (which now stand in for Juggernauts, Boob-Snakes and Discs too?sigh?) have changed dramatically in line with the Daemon?s list ? same cost and statline as currently, but with only one Wound, +1 Initiative and a drop in Ld (bizarrely). Characters also have the option of a Chariot for +100 points, same as normal entry except they displace one of the crew.

      Daemon Princes are still in, but without Daemonic Gifts. Stats the same except they have Initiative 7 for some reason. Daemonic is out, Immune to Psychology, Stubborn, 5+ Ward Save and Magical Attacks are in. 50 points more expensive than they currently are. Marks as below:

      Khorne ? Frenzy, Magic Reistance. Think it?s MR 1, but I?m not certain, sorry.

      Nurgle ? Toughness 6.

      Slaanesh ? Always Strikes First

      Tzeentch ? 4+ Ward


      HEROES

      Exalted Champions are Toughness 5. It?s a stupid decision since, combined with the points drop of 10, it makes upgrading Aspiring Champion to Exalted for +20 points an even more no-brainer choice than it is now.

      Sorcerors drop 10, as do Aspiring Champions. As currently, only Aspiring Champions can be a BSB, which is the only possible reason to consider taking one (especially since they can?t ride Daemonic Steeds either). Both Champions continue the trend of ridiculously costed weaponry.


      CORE

      Warriors of Chaos drop to 12 points in a rare instance of Games Developer sanity. No other changes that I can tell, except that ANY unit can take a Magic Banner under 50 points (which, as you?ll see from the Magic Items section, isn?t really an advantage?) and Chosen upgrades cost +5 points a model now.

      Marauders are the same except commands are more expensive, since lord knows that +10 points for +1 Attack was so game-breakingly unbalanced right now. Warhounds are unchanged, still don?t take up Core, which means you HAVE to include Marauders or Warriors on foot in your army. Why do you hate me GW?


      SPECIAL

      Knights are now Special and cost 5 points less a model than before, with a Chosen upgrade now + 10 points. Any units can take Magic Banners now. I would have liked to see S4 with a very expensive option for a Lance (so, you know, people can use their old models) but what?re you gonna do.

      Chariots get a large points break and cost 100 points. 2 can be taken as one Special choice (cos that?s far less unbalanced than Goblin Chariots, apparently).

      Marauder Horsemen are now Special. Apparently, I must be very stupid, because to my puny intellect this seems like an incomprehensibly moronic decision. Throwing axes cost only 1 point and the option for Shields is gone. Feel free to continue buying shielded horsemen in the shops though.


      RARE

      Giants and Hellcannons are in, with Hellcannons taking up two Rare choices. Apparently, the team at WD decided that too much space in the article was taken up with the sheer multitudes of other units in the Chaos list to justify printing the rules for these. Which means you?ll have to buy Storm of Chaos and Beasts of Chaos to use them. Yay.

      Spawn are here too, same points, same rules, except the option to customise your Spawn to make them interesting and unique is gone. Why??


      MAGIC ITEMS

      VAST numbers of Magic Items have been cut from the list, with nothing given in return. I?m going to lay off with the criticism for this mind, since it is just a get-you-by list after all (though a simple note ?Don?t take Daemons with your Hordes list? and leaving it at that would have made this whole process much easier?)

      The cost of Common Magic Items is constant, except the Biting Blade (5 points) and Sword of +1 Attackeyness (20 points). Amusingly, this means that for a Chaos Lord, the Sword of +1 Attack and an Enchanted Shield costs the same as a shield and additional hand weapon.

      5 Magic Weapons. The Chaos Runesword is 60 points, for each wound caused by the character (in combat?) they gain one wound themselves. Chaos Daemon Sword (50 points) gives +1 WS, +1 S and +1 A, with any rolls of a one to hit attacking the character bearing it. Whip of Pleasure is down to 40 points but otherwise unchanged, Filth Mace and Axe of Khorne are the same as now.

      4 Magic Armours. Chaos Runeshield, Armour of Damnation, Bane Shield and Crimson Armour of Dargan. All exactly the same as now.

      2 Talismans. Crown of Everlasting Conquest (no change), Golden Eye of Tzeentch (now 40 points). Collar of Khorne has been moved to Enchanted Items, see later.

      3 Arcane Items. Staff of Change costs 70 points and no longer exhausts itself when it actually does something useful. Skull of Katam remains unchanged. There?s a new kind of Familiar, Chaos Familiar, which gives +1 Power Dice and +1 Dispel Dice for 40 points.

      2 Enchanted Items. Helm of Many Eyes is still in unaltered (surprisingly, actually) and the Collar of Khorne has been moved here, costing 25 points and providing a Magic Resistance of 3.

      2 Magic Banners, which since one costs 125 points makes the whole ?any unit can take a Magic Banner of 50 points or less? kind of pointless. Banner of the Gods and Banner of Wrath are largely unchanged, except the Gods now has a much more useful range of 12? and the Wrath now comes with a Power Level of 5.

      This is all I have noticed so far, apologies for what is a duplication of earlier posts. Any other questions, feel free to ask away, and I?ll answer as best I can.
      Fields of Glory auch für die Steiermark!

      VOTE CTHULHU FOR PRESIDENT! - Why choose the lesser evil?
      Rejoice! For very BAD things are about zu happen!


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      SCH****; VER****** GW H****SÖHNE!!!!!!!!!

      was glauben die da eigentlich? Da schreibt man sich doch als Spieler lieber gleich ein eigenes Armeebuch als isch so einen Scheißdreck zu besorgen. Diese Vorabliste rühr ich sicher nicht an, und wenn das echte Armeebuch draußen ist, werd ich dass echt genau unter die Lupe nehmen. Solche Schweine!!!!

      Ja, diese beiden Posts fassen Recht gut die allgemeinen meinungen der Chaosspieler über die Liste zusammen... :)

      Aber man kann es auch positiv sehen...wenn auch nur schwer. Die Liste ist so mies dass die meisten Turnierveranstalter es hoffentlich erlauben werden weiter nach dem alten Buch zu spielen und einfach keine Dämonen bzw. Tiermenschen mehr zu verwenden.
      Fields of Glory auch für die Steiermark!

      VOTE CTHULHU FOR PRESIDENT! - Why choose the lesser evil?
      Rejoice! For very BAD things are about zu happen!


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