50 % sale damage

Alpha schrieb:

Verstößt du mit deinem Posting nicht eigentlich gegen den Wisch, den du unterschrieben hast?

Ich hab dem Damage bei den letzten Besuchen bereits gesagt, dass sie ihre Service-Vereinbarung als nicht erfüllt ansehe, und ich nicht einsehe, meinen Part zu erfüllen, wenn sie es nicht auch tun. Dafür gabs natürlich Verständnis.



In dem Wisch - und ich vermute mal, dass Du den kennst - steht, dass man richtigstellen soll. Das hab ich hiermit getan. Ist ja nicht so, dass ich auf eine persönliche Vendetta gehe und das Damage schlecht mache. Das schaffen die ganz alleine. ich erzähle nur, was bei mir passiert ist, in der Hoffnung, dass es anderen Betroffenen hilft.

edit:wording.

ich würd mal arg vermuten Alpha hat das eher scherzhaft in bezug auf den wisch gemeint - wobei grad der alpha berühmt berüchtig für seine erpresserischen neigungen ist *gg* weniger butthurt sein

na, stimmt ja eh ... hab ja auhch zwei Monate überlegt, was ich tun soll, und mich zamgrissen....

Ich hab das Quote rausgenommen, weil ich eh schon einen Screenshot habe und der Datenbankauszug aus der Festung ist natürlich auch schon beantragt Irgendwie müssen wir die Server ja finanzieren!

Ein Freund hat da mal ein Schachbrett bestellt.....
Ich hab meine Metallhexenkriegerinnen damals auch einfach abgeschrieben.
Also alles nix Neues.
War da schon ewig nicht mehr.

Guys I am sorry for asking in English...

but it what is going on with this shop? In the past it used to be a good shop... Nowadays they reduced the size, not anymore the gaming club... And do you know he is buying all stuff from Willhaben and selling it in the shop? It is amazing....

I suggest going to sirengames.at (or s-games.at if you're a little to the south) instead. You'll get your products in time and reliably.

I would never recommend that shop again, although it is fun to stroll trough it and have look at their dusty goods. Once.

The thing that makes me quite angry is that is is listed in a lot shopping guides as one of the best stores in vienna related to games and so. THIS has to change in my eyes - they have to work for this kind of reputation, not just float on top because of the lack of competition and proper research done by the guides' authors.

Artegis schrieb:

And do you know he is buying all stuff from Willhaben and selling it in the shop? It is amazing....

Can you please explain, that sounds so suspense-packed! Let's tell us!

preface:
I think that is a valid tactic for a second hand store to use modern channels to get stuff. But there is a moral issue when doing so.

I don't mind that, in fact the shop has often bought second hand goods from people who wanted to get rid of stuff.

Yeah. I sold my Word Bearers there.

ninn schrieb:

The thing that makes me quite angry is that is is listed in a lot shopping guides as one of the best stores in vienna related to games and so. THIS has to change in my eyes - they have to work for this kind of reputation, not just float on top because of the lack of competition and proper research done by the guides' authors.

The lack of research definitely has a lot to do with that. However, most shopping guides are not catered to us nerds as a peer group, but to other people, who are looking for less interesting games, when they enter a games store. Since the Spielerei has been closed down, I recon no other store has offered an equal selection of "normal" board games and similar stuff.

I don't want to defend them, but not every complaint is really warranted. Personally, I only go there, when I need something specific like a primer, just to look whether they have it on site.

Also: what do you think the moral issue would be by using willhaben.at this way?

moral issue: buying off private persons to sell with a markup as a (regular) business practice.

It is just not ok to buy stuff off a person by haggling it down to the bottom level and then putting it onto the own booth for twice (or more) that price. That is why I basicly stopped selling stuff to other traders on conventions (e.g. Figuren- / Viedeospiel-/ & Foto-Börse). Fleamarkets are prone to that behaviour too: The sellers scout thru the market to get stuff for themselves, which they can sell at a better price.

---> Second hand goods belongs to the people, not resellers.


and, don't shit where you eat.

I don't agree with that. People will sell to the shop because they don't want to put in the work of selling something and/or because they just want to get rid of something and take a small amount of money instead of throwing stuff away. I don't get the impression that they have a pawn shop mentality where they buy for a ridiculous price because the person selling is desperate for money. I also doubt that they are making a lot of money with this.

ninn schrieb:

moral issue: buying off private persons to sell with a markup as a (regular) business practice.

This is what retail business is all about: you buy cheaper than you sell, otherwise you go bankrupt. I don't see the moral issue here.

To elaborate a bit on Ruffy's point:
People sell for a low price either they just want to get rid of it, are absolutely okay with the price or nobody will buy for a higher price in a given timeframe and a given market. If people really want to sell for a higher price, then they should wait, use multiple channels (different forums, ebay and willhaben instead of just one) and just not sell for a price that is not okay to them.
We are not talking about a person's day job to earn a living, but about hobby related stuff that they are selling. It's not that anybody's life depended on selling their Warhammer army, at least not in Austria.

On the other hand, if people are willing to buy hobby stuff for a ridiculous amount of money (and honestly, most of us here are, otherwise we were not users of this forum), so be it. A reseller adds a margin that people are willing to pay, not just for nothing but for financing their own business model, which includes running a retail channel for second hand goods open to people who would otherwise not get them (possibly because they just do not use channels like willhaben or ebay).

There are several things at the damage to criticize, but reselling second hand stuff isn't one of them.

ninn schrieb:

---> Second hand goods belongs to the people, not resellers.

No, second hand goods belong to the people who buy them, they may do whatever they want with it, including reselling them at a higher price.

Dude, you should seriously rethink your understanding of a free market society.

Ernsthaft überdenken muss ich nur welche Drogen Bier für heute Abend. Sonst gar Nichts.

Er hat ja geschrieben du solltest, nicht dass du musst.

Hab mich gestern echt bemühen müssen, nicht ins Damage zu gehen, obwohl ich Zeit gehabt hätte und ganz in der Nähe war ... so schade.

Was wäre dann passiert?

???