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the good thing is that you don´t "have" to buy there... so if he buys things and is not able to sell them he will change pricing. But if he sells the things at higher prices he would be an idiot if he sells cheaper!

Greets Michael

I mean I do not care if it is legal or not... But if all second hand shops do the same the prices of the second hand stuff would be senseless. Actually everyone can go there and check the price..."3 bad painted space marines 10 euros"....well, it is his business but if he buys everything he finds out on the Internet.....

i am am just saying that this is very weird...

It is always possible to discuss prizes of used items.

Yes, buyong stuff and re-sellig it is legal in Austria ;). You will even get a receipt if it is sold through the shop.

Sorry guys for my late answer.

i will tell you the story... Everyday I checked Willhaben in order to find some stuff. However prices were crazy expensives... After 2 months doing this I memorised all products in Willhaben about blood bowl.One day I went to the shop and check some stuff... I saw ALL products from Willhaben in the shop... I was really shocked because I talked with the different sellers in the past... I remember especially one who did not want to reduce the price ... The amazing thing is that the prices of all the products were exactly the same as in Willhaben.... So my conclusion was "he is buying all stuff which he knows is very rare to find and selling iit in his shop". I do not mind, is it legal? Maybe I do now know and I do not care... But it is annoying that now I can not buy and Willhaben because this guy is getting all stuff... And as he is a shop it is not possible to discuss the price...

Damage war ein Geschäft mit Auf und Abs. Jetzt ist es halt ein Misch aus 2nd Hand Laden und reduziertem Angebot.
Wenn es funktioniert. Warum nicht. Gut wärs. Mehr Geschäfte mehr Angebot.

Was man bei allen Händler nicht so ganz vergessen darf. Die kaufen ALLE nicht um das ein was wir zahlen. Kann auch gar nicht anders sein.- Müssen auch von was leben. UNd Ruffy hat schon recht. Besser als wegschmeissen. Alternativ kann man es auch noch herschenken. Va bei jugendlichen und Kindern.

Und es gibt ja ein ganz gutes Beispiel wie 2nd Hand funktioniert. Ist börsennotiert und heiß ebay.

Ach ja. Die Aufregung dass es DER laden sein soll verstehe ich ziemlich gut.
Eine Reevalution wäre wohl höchst sinnvoll.


Sia

Der freie Wille, nicht seinen freien Willen auszuüben...
hat ein bisserl was von Heute "Journalismus"

Ach so, dachte dann geht's drinnen ca. so ab:

HOW I ALMOST GOT ROBBED *no clickbait*

arg

... dann hätt ich ein Geschäft unterstützt, was nicht unterstützenswert ist.

???

Was wäre dann passiert?

Hab mich gestern echt bemühen müssen, nicht ins Damage zu gehen, obwohl ich Zeit gehabt hätte und ganz in der Nähe war ... so schade.

Er hat ja geschrieben du solltest, nicht dass du musst.

Ernsthaft überdenken muss ich nur welche Drogen Bier für heute Abend. Sonst gar Nichts.

ninn schrieb:

moral issue: buying off private persons to sell with a markup as a (regular) business practice.

This is what retail business is all about: you buy cheaper than you sell, otherwise you go bankrupt. I don't see the moral issue here.

To elaborate a bit on Ruffy's point:
People sell for a low price either they just want to get rid of it, are absolutely okay with the price or nobody will buy for a higher price in a given timeframe and a given market. If people really want to sell for a higher price, then they should wait, use multiple channels (different forums, ebay and willhaben instead of just one) and just not sell for a price that is not okay to them.
We are not talking about a person's day job to earn a living, but about hobby related stuff that they are selling. It's not that anybody's life depended on selling their Warhammer army, at least not in Austria.

On the other hand, if people are willing to buy hobby stuff for a ridiculous amount of money (and honestly, most of us here are, otherwise we were not users of this forum), so be it. A reseller adds a margin that people are willing to pay, not just for nothing but for financing their own business model, which includes running a retail channel for second hand goods open to people who would otherwise not get them (possibly because they just do not use channels like willhaben or ebay).

There are several things at the damage to criticize, but reselling second hand stuff isn't one of them.

ninn schrieb:

---> Second hand goods belongs to the people, not resellers.

No, second hand goods belong to the people who buy them, they may do whatever they want with it, including reselling them at a higher price.

Dude, you should seriously rethink your understanding of a free market society.

I don't agree with that. People will sell to the shop because they don't want to put in the work of selling something and/or because they just want to get rid of something and take a small amount of money instead of throwing stuff away. I don't get the impression that they have a pawn shop mentality where they buy for a ridiculous price because the person selling is desperate for money. I also doubt that they are making a lot of money with this.

moral issue: buying off private persons to sell with a markup as a (regular) business practice.

It is just not ok to buy stuff off a person by haggling it down to the bottom level and then putting it onto the own booth for twice (or more) that price. That is why I basicly stopped selling stuff to other traders on conventions (e.g. Figuren- / Viedeospiel-/ & Foto-Börse). Fleamarkets are prone to that behaviour too: The sellers scout thru the market to get stuff for themselves, which they can sell at a better price.

---> Second hand goods belongs to the people, not resellers.


and, don't shit where you eat.

ninn schrieb:

The thing that makes me quite angry is that is is listed in a lot shopping guides as one of the best stores in vienna related to games and so. THIS has to change in my eyes - they have to work for this kind of reputation, not just float on top because of the lack of competition and proper research done by the guides' authors.

The lack of research definitely has a lot to do with that. However, most shopping guides are not catered to us nerds as a peer group, but to other people, who are looking for less interesting games, when they enter a games store. Since the Spielerei has been closed down, I recon no other store has offered an equal selection of "normal" board games and similar stuff.

I don't want to defend them, but not every complaint is really warranted. Personally, I only go there, when I need something specific like a primer, just to look whether they have it on site.

Also: what do you think the moral issue would be by using willhaben.at this way?