Gerüchte: Imperiale Armee

omfg

Wir sollten definitiv den Codex abwarten und eine Imperiale Armee mitnehmen :D.

Das es bei Heavy 20 nur 2-3 Marines ist ja schön und gut, trotzdem allein für das Profil

bin echt schon gespannt auf den Codex

Naja , sind immernoch potentiell 20 tote Marines/Orks/Ganten/whatever

naja eine schwer 20 waffe....waffe zerstört und weg is das trum

mfg thomas

Ach is doch alles Arsch.

Hauptsache schwere Bolter zählen für Leman Russ als Unterstützungswaffe. Mehr will ich gar nich.

Wer weiß wie die Panzervarianten von GW aussehen, weil so hässliche Dinger kommen mir nich in meine Armee.

naja eine schwer 20 waffe....waffe zerstört und weg is das trum

Ja das hat man ja auch so schnell bei ner Panzerung von 14 bzw. 13 in der Seite.

@Jasokuhl:

<- Imperiale Armee ist meiiiins Wäre schon letztes Jahr vermutlich besser als die Dämonen gewesen :X

gerade noch was nettes aufgeschnappt, weiß nicht ob schon bekannt.

Die Lasergewehre der Gardisten (Hochenergie) haben ... DS .... 3 8o.

Gut sind keine Sturmwaffen sondern Rapid Fire auf 18 aber trotzdem. Die ballern Marines aus den Latschen. Bei 10 Mann im Schnellfeuer genau 4,444
Im Gegenzug schaffen in etwa 7 Marines für die gleichen Punktekosten gerade mal 3,111111.

Cool

Original von jasokuhl
gerade noch was nettes aufgeschnappt, weiß nicht ob schon bekannt.

Hab ich schon gepostet.

Original von jasokuhl
Im Gegenzug schaffen in etwa 7 Marines für die gleichen Punktekosten gerade mal 3,111111.

Nahkampf und tschüss mit Deinen Gardisten Gfrasta

Original von firstruleoffightclubNahkampf und tschüss mit Deinen Gardisten Gfrasta

Das Problem ist dass Du einen Trupp im Nahkampf aufmischt und dann vor 15 anderen Einheiten stehst die Dich übern Haufen schießen.

Alleine dass der Standard 4 Punkte kosten soll ist ein Wahnsinn.... 100 Taschenlampen die die Masse sichern und dann bleiben noch immer 1350 Punkte für Panzer, schwere Waffen, Panzerung 12 Sentinels, Gardisten, Ogryns, Rough Rider....... etc.etc.etc.

Klingt momentan ein wenig nach Alptraum der Codex...... aber man wird sehen was dann die endgültigen Punkte noch zu sagen haben.

Alleine dass der Standard 4 Punkte kosten soll ist ein Wahnsinn

Lustig. Sowas ähnliches hab ich mir beim Codex Orks auch gedacht, als ich den 6 Pkt Ork-boy mit einem 6 Pkt imperialen Soldaten verglichen habe. Und die Orks irgendwie in praktisch jedem Bereich besser waren . D.h. wenn der Standart Garde-Soldat nicht um einiges besser wird (vgl. wieder Ork-boy) muss er notgedrungen billiger werden.

Mir persönlich wären beide Wege recht, nur so wie es jetzt ist... naja... lassen wir das....

Original von ULTRAMAR
Das Problem ist dass Du einen Trupp im Nahkampf aufmischt und dann vor 15 anderen Einheiten stehst die Dich übern Haufen schießen.

Soll ich jetzt daraus lesen das man gegen Imps nicht gewinnen kann -oder was ?

Original von firstruleoffightclubSoll ich jetzt daraus lesen das man gegen Imps nicht gewinnen kann -oder was ?

Da kannst Du von mir aus rauslesen was Du hineininterpretieren willst, wie immer.

@Martin
Naja, das muss man halt im Kontext zur restlichen Armee sehen...... der 6 Punkte Boy mit Wumme ist scho recht gut und seine Schwäche ist nur die Haltbarkeit.
Dafür kosten aber auch die Auswahlen abseits des Standards nicht wenig bei den Orks.

Ob das bei den Impsen auch so sein wird....... ich hoffe es!

Aber ob der Standard Imp so schlecht ist dass man davon 4 für 1 Space Marine ausgeben muss...... naja ...... glaub nicht dass da die Relation stimmt........

und ob das System wirklich noch mehr Waffen braucht die Rüstungen ignorieren...... wie eben das neue Plasmageschütz und die HE Lasergewehre....... dazu noch härtere Panzer, härtere Sentinels, härtere Ogryns....

wie gesagt, mal sehen was die Spielzeuge alle kosten..... aber so liest sich das brutal.

BITTE ,
zitier mich nie wieder und antworte auch nicht auf meine Posts die Dich nicht betreffen . DANKE

Ich bin wirklich überrascht,...es sah eine Zeit lang so aus, als versuche GW die Optionen zu minimieren, aus Gründen der Übersicht, weniger Ausrüstungsotpinen, weniger verschiedene einheiten, etc...

aber das ist mit Abstand die variantenreichste Armeeliste die ich je gesehen habe...


UND ICH FREU MICH WAHNSINNIG DRAUF =)

Original von von Stauffenberg
Ich bin wirklich überrascht,...es sah eine Zeit lang so aus, als versuche GW die Optionen zu minimieren, aus Gründen der Übersicht, weniger Ausrüstungsotpinen, weniger verschiedene einheiten, etc...

Das haben sie nur mit meinen DA's gemacht *grml*

Mal wieder eine Überarbeitet Zusammenfassung der Gerüchte

Quelle: warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=182510

Rules

Army-wide Special Rules

Doctrines

Doctrines have supposedly been replaced by Platoons options, so for example, rather than Armoured fist squads a player would buy Chimeras for a whole platoon, or buy the whole platoon grav-chutes to give them deep strike, or drop the heavy weapons from squads and give the platoon Scout. No details on exactly what upgrades are available have emerges as yet. This system would allow ?crusade? style armies of multiple regiments.

Another rumour says that there will be multiple flavours of Platoon with varying rules and options, such as Heavy Platoons, the squads will have the option of taking up to three heavy weapons teams; Assault Platoons, able to take up to three assault weapons; Stealth Platoons possibly able to infiltrate. It is not clear if this was based on a proper rumour or mutant wishlisting.

This has been given some credence with catdubh posting the following:


Originally Posted by catdubh
From the way I was told it an assault platoon can only take assault weapons, 3 flamers fine, 3 G/L fine, 3 plasma no. From both a fluff point of view and game balance it seams fair to me.

Also told Heavy Weapons squads are now 10 men not six and that the rumour of all squads in a platoon being able to take 3 Heavies per squad is not quite right. Instead a Heavy Weapon Squad can be attached to a platoon. Very similar but as to which one is correct we will have to wait
Orders

reds8n broke the news on Orders with the following:


Originally Posted by reds8n
I believe that command squads will in fact be able to give actual orders to their troops-- I assume perhaps only the ones under their direct command perhaps ? These have various affects, the ones I heard about being one that reduces their chance to hit ( for guard ! ) but ignores/lowers cover saves.

.... and one that in affect puts the platoon onto overwatch.
Orders are given by Officers to a squad (note not the whole Platoon) within command radius or via Vox channel. Orders generally make a squad do something such as make them better shots, rally, or recover from things like pinning or gone to ground. These orders are not automatic and will probably require a Ld test.

Orders will be one or maybe two orders per Officer per turn, and it is assumed Platoon Officers will only be able to order their own Platoon whilst army Commanders will be able to order anyone. This has not been confirmed.

Some rumoured Orders include:
?TAAAANK!!? which allows the squad to add +1 to penetrate armour for a turn of shooting.
"Front Rank Fire, Second Rank Fire" which allows the squad to shoot twice to represent your men firing in well timed volleys to increase rate of fire. This is probably just Lasguns.

Overwatch would supposedly allow them a round of shooting during the enemy?s shooting phase at the cost of not shooting and assaulting next turn (effectively going to ground).

I have been told the Orders system works a bit different to how it is currently rumoured above, but wasn?t able to get clarification yet.

Miscellaneous

Some squads will supposedly have access to heavy flamers, but it is not clear which ones.

Special Characters

Commissar Yarrick 5 5 3 4 3 3 3 10 4+
Sly Marbo 5 5 3 3 2 5 4 7 5+
Colonel Straken 5 4 6 4 3 3 3 9 3+
Usarker Creed 4 4 3 3 3 3 3 10 4+
Jarran Kell 4 4 3 3 2 4 2 8 4+
Nork Dedog 4 3 5 5 3 3 4 8 4+
Captain Al?rahem 4 4 3 3 2 3 2 9 5+
Captain Chenkov 4 4 3 3 2 3 2 9 4+
Moghol Kamir 4 3 3 3 2 3 3 8 5+
Lukas Bastonne 4 4 3 3 1 3 2 10 4+
Artillery Sergeant Harker 4 4 4 3 1 3 2 8 5+

HQ

Company Commander
Can reportedly be upgraded for x-amount to get Storm Troopers as Troops
Company Commander 4 4 3 3 3 3 3 9 5+

Primaris Psyker
Apparently able to blast tanks with a psychic power. No further details have emerged as yet.
Primaris Psyker 4 4 3 3 2 3 3 9 5+

Commissar Lord
Newer rumours say he is described as having lots of inspirational powers (possibly fearless) and will supposedly allow more freedom in selecting Commissars for other squads.
Commissar Lord 5 5 3 3 3 3 3 10 5+

Inquisitor and Retinue
Very early rumours pointed to an entry for IG as an HQ choice, which would supposedly appear much like the elites from the current Daemon Hunters/Witch Hunters books. This has since been completely blown out of the water. THEY ARE NOT IN THE CODEX.

Advisors
Officer of the Fleet
Forces opponent to subtract -1 from all reserve rolls
Officer of the Flee 3 4 3 3 1 3 1 7 5+

Astropath
Add +1 to reserves rolls. I think it says they can do something with orders too, although the pic is unclear.
Astropath 3 4 3 3 1 3 1 7 5+

Master of Ordinance
Can call down a S9 Ordinance Barrage.
Master of Ordinance 3 4 3 3 1 3 1 7 5+

Commissars
Are supposedly now squad upgrades, technically allowing a lot of Commissars to appear in an army. Rumours now say they are allowed to attach to ?certain squads?, However once a Commissar Lord is taken they have more freedom and there can be more of them. They are also supposedly cheaper (almost half their current price). Some text seen near a pic of Commissars at Open Day appears to say Commissars will have an affect on Orders, possibly making it easier to use them.
Commissar 4 4 3 3 1 3 2 9 5+

Ministorum Priest
Ministorum Priest 3 3 3 3 1 3 2 7 5+

Sanctioned Psyker
Sanctioned Psyker 2 3 2 3 1 3 1 9 5+

Mentor
Not sure what this is, but the summary puts it on the same page as the Sanctioned Psyker.
Mentor 3 3 3 3 1 3 2 9 5+

There are apparently a few other things that you can give the Command Squad to affect the army. No further details are available as yet.

Elites

Stormtroopers
The assumption has been made based on the WIP Stormtrooper mini that Stormtroopers will be able to take shotguns this has since been refuted, with the new rumour being they are for WH Arbites-style Stormtroopers.

You can supposedly have a Storm Trooper Squad/Platoon as a Troops choice (not clear if this means both or one of), but this is reliant on an upgrade to the Officer leading the army. They may also get to pick from a list of mission 'operations', such as outflank, deepstrike etc. They may be able to infiltrate if not transported.
Stormtrooper Sergeant 3 4 3 3 1 3 2 8 4+
Stormtrooper 3 4 3 3 1 3 1 7 4+
Hellgun 18 3 3 Rapid Fire
Hellpistol 6 3 3 Pistol

Techpriest Enginseer
Techpriest 3 3 3 3 1 3 1 8 3+
Servitor 3 3 3 3 1 3 1 8 4+

Ogryns
Rumoured to have Furious Charge
Bone head 4 3 5 5 3 2 4 7 5+
Ogryn 4 3 5 5 3 2 3 6 5+
Ripper gun 12 5 - Assault 3

Ratlings
10 points each. Supposedly have different special rules (no details as yet although it appears not to be a special gun)
Ratling 2 4 2 2 1 4 1 6 5+
Sniper Rifle 36 X 6 Heavy 1, Sniper

Sniper Squads
Can supposedly infiltrate, get stealth, range finders and all models in the squad have sniper rifles and BS 4. A new rumour says they will also get camo cloaks. They do not appear as a separate entry in the leaked summary.

Veteran Squads
Have been rumoured to become upgrades to platoons rather than Elites choices and may work like Ork Ard Boyz in that you may upgrade one unit in the whole army. Although a newer rumour says they probably won?t be upgrades for platoons.
Veteran Sergeant 3 4 3 3 1 3 2 8 5+
Veteran 3 4 3 3 1 3 1 7 5+
Veteran heavy weapons team 3 4 3 3 2 3 2 7 5+

Troops

Imperial Guard Platoons
Platoons will supposedly be structured as follows:
1 command squad
Plus up to 5 of the following taking into account specific limitations -
2 - 5 infantry squads
0 - 5 heavy weapons squads (this is suspected to be a typo)
0 - 2 special weapons squads
0 - 1 conscript squad
The entire platoon with all these squads will only take one Troops selection in the FOC.
Platoon commander 4 4 3 3 1 3 2 8 5+
Sergeant 3 3 3 3 1 3 2 8 5+
Guardsmen 3 3 3 3 1 3 1 7 5+
Heavy Weapons team 3 3 3 3 2 3 2 7 5+

Platoons are rumoured to be able to attach sentinels, chimeras, and hellhounds as support vehicles, but not demolishers as previously thought.

Platoons will supposedly benefit from a special rule called "Platoon Drill" which grants the ability to ignore any other squad within the Platoon for the purposes of determining the enemy's cover save. What this means is that the Guard squads will get a cover save when being shot at through a squad in the same Platoon, but their enemy will not get one when the squad shoots back. This will supposedly only work if the Vox network is still intact.

Platoons have been rumoured to have a great number of options available to them including attaching various support vehicles like sentinels, hellhounds and demolishers. They still take up a FOC spot, but become part of the platoon and so will benefit from ?Platoon Drill? and other Platoon-wide rules rule.

Platoons are rumoured to be able to merge into one big unit (sort of the opposite of Space Marine combat squads). The IG player chooses at the beginning of the game to deploy either as a singe unit or as separate squads. If deployed as a unit, they will probably have to stay within coherency, but will count as 1 Kill Point. If deployed separately they yield individual KPs.

There has been much talk about a point decrease to 4points per Guardsman. This has also been rumoured to be 50 point Infantry squads (10 men with Sgt, Heavy Bolter & Flamer). Another rumour says the basic squad load-out will be 10 Lasguns or 9 Lasguns and a Laspistol for 40 points.

Heavy weapons teams will be a single 2W entity, like a Space Marine Attack Bike.

Conscripts
Conscript 2 2 3 3 1 3 1 5 5+

Penal Battalion
50 pts. 1 Custodian and 9 Penal troopers. Ld 8. Rifle and close combat weapons. Scouts, Stubborn, "Desperate". No news on what the last Special Rule may entail.
Penal Guard 3 3 3 3 1 3 2 8 5+
Penal legionnaire 3 3 3 3 1 3 2 8 5+

Transports

Chimera
55 pts. 12 10 10 Tank, Amphibious, Mobile Command Vehicle. Multi-laser, hull Heavy Bolter, searchlight and smoke launchers. Options: Upgrade Multi-laser to Heavy Flamer or Heavy Bolter - free; hull Heavy Bolter to Heavy Flamer - free; Storm Bolter or Heavy Stubber +10pts, Hunter-Killer Missile +10pts, Dozer Blade +10 pts, Extra Armour +15pts, Camo Netting +20pts.

Valkyrie
Fast Skimmer 12 10 10. Troops may disembark at any point in its movement, but more than 12" and they take a dangerous terrain check. Was rumoured to allow embarked troops to deploy after deep striking. Another rumour says they will be able to DS more accurately like Drop Pods. It was originally rumoured to only be a transport for Stormtroopers, but more recently it has been said it will be available to all units that have access to Chimeras.
Valkyrie 3 12 12 10
Hellfury Missile 72 4 5 Heavy 1, Large Blast, One use Only

Fast Attack

Rough Riders
Rough Rider Sergeant 3 3 3 3 1 3 2 8 5+
Rough Riders 3 3 3 3 1 3 1 7 5+

Recon Sentinels
Retain Scout, but only have the option to be open topped.
Recon Sentinel 3 3 5 10 10 10 3 1

Hellhound
Hellhound 3 12 12 10
Inferno Cannon Template* 6 4 Heavy 1
(like the previous version but there is no roll to hit and no partials, but reaches 12").

Devildog
Devildog 3 12 12 10
Melta Cannon 24 8 1 Small blast, Melta

Banewolf
Banewolf 3 12 12 10
Chemical Cannon Template 1 3 Poison (2+)

Valkyrie Vendetta
The ?up-gunned? version of the Valkyrie.
Vendetta 3 12 12 10
Multiple Rocket Launcher 24 4 6 Heavy 1, Large Blast.
Hellstrike Missile 72 8 3 Ordinance 1, One use only

Heavy Support

Spearhead Sentinels
Heavy Support Sentinels will supposedly lose Scout, but will be enclosed and have options for heavy weapons such as the Plasma Cannon.
Armoured Sentinel 3 3 5 12 10 10 3 1

Leman Russ
Can reportedly be bought as a squadron so you can get 3 for a single FOC. It is unclear if this is a true Vehicle Squadron, or a three-to-a-slot situation.

Russ? have been rumoured to cost 150 points with increased Sponson cost, so a LR will supposedly cost 180 points with 3 HB.

They have been rumoured to come with a hull heavy bolter, smoke launchers and searchlight as standard.

Leman Russ Battle Tank
Leman Russ 3 14 13 10
Battlecannon 72 8 3 Ordinance, Large Blast

Leman Russ Exterminator
Exterminator 3 14 13 10
Exterminator Autocannon 48 7 4 Heavy 4, Twin Linked

Leman Russ Vanquisher
Vanquisher 3 14 13 10
Vanquisher cannon 72 8 2 Heavy 1 +1D6 penetration.

Leman Russ Eradicator
Eradicator 3 14 13 10
Eradicator Nova Cannon 36 6 4 Heavy 1, Large blast Ignores cover saves.

Leman Russ Demolisher
Demolisher 3 14 13 11
Demolisher Cannon 24 10 2 Ordinance, Large Blast

Leman Russ Punisher
Punisher 3 14 13 11
Punisher Gatling Cannon 24 5 - Heavy 20

Leman Russ Executioner
Executioner 3 14 13 11
Executioner Plasma Cannon 36 7 2 Heavy 3, small blast.

Lumbering Behemoth rule - Can choose to move 6" and fire all weapons or fire nothing and move 6" +1D6".

Basilisk
Open Topped. Can be enclosed
Basilisk 3 12 10 10
Earthshaker Cannon 36-240 9 3 Ordinance, Large Blast

Medusa
Open Topped. Can be enclosed
Medusa 3 12 10 10
Medusa Cannon 36 10 2 Ordinance, Large Blast.
Medusa Bunker Buster 48 10 1 Heavy 1, Blast.

Hydra
Hydra 3 12 10 10
Hydra Autocannon 72 7 4 Heavy 2
It is assumed each Hydra will have multiple Hydra Autocannon (either 2 Twin Linked or 4)

Colossus
Open Topped. Can be enclosed
Colossus 3 12 10 10
Colossus Siege mortar 24-240 6 3 Ordinance, Large Blast

Griffon
Open Topped. Can be enclosed
Griffon 3 12 10 10
Griffon Mortar 12-48 6 4 Ordinance barrage, Large Blast

Manticore
Manticore 3 12 10 10
Storm Eagle Rockets 24-120 10 4 Ordinance 1D3, Barrage, Large Blast

Deathstrike
Deathstrike 3 12 10 10
Deathstrike Missile 12-unlimtd 10 1 Ordinance barrage, D3+3? Blast, one Use only
Special Rules:
- Cannot be fired on Turn 1. Each turn roll a D6, weapon can be fired on a 6. Modifiers: +1 per turn, -1 for each crew stunned or weapon destroyed results sustained. Can always be fired on the roll of a natural 6.
- Any weapon destroyed results received are ignored, the only effect they have is to delay the launch.
- Hits on vehicles in the area of the Deathstrike Missile are not calculated at half strength but at S10.

For a much clearer and far prettier version of the summary, please refer to Scryer in the Darkness' translation here:

Hi!

Haben die Taschenlampenhelden jetzt BF3 ich dachte die haben BF2 das man aufwerten auf BF3 kann?

Mfg Dave

Original von Unkn0wn

Original von von Stauffenberg
Ich bin wirklich überrascht,...es sah eine Zeit lang so aus, als versuche GW die Optionen zu minimieren, aus Gründen der Übersicht, weniger Ausrüstungsotpinen, weniger verschiedene einheiten, etc...


Das haben sie nur mit meinen DA's gemacht *grml*

auch den normalen SM haben sie so manches weggenommen was mir abgeht. okok sie haben auch etliches dazugegeben.

BTL
Xun

Original von Xun
auch den normalen SM haben sie so manches weggenommen was mir abgeht.

Was ?

Wesenszüge

dafür bekamen sie combat tactics, viel bessere sturmtermis, neuen landraider, neue veteranen einheiten, stärke 6 energiewaffen, günstige razorbacks, ehrengarde, stormlandspeeder........ein guter tausch oder?