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Ok, just had a quick 5 minute convo with my mate who's had a 5 minute read thorough the new book.

Herds have split , both ranked up but ungor get the option to skirmish
Unruly has gone
New rule for "herds"- when in combat take a leadership check.
If passed the unit gets hatred, if you roll insane courage you get hatred and frenzy. Didn't seem to be a downside if you failed.

Bestigor capture standards if they simply win a round of combat, get to add it (and any others they capture) to their combat res.

Minotaurs get frenzy if they win a round of combat, for every round they win they get a cumulative extra attack! Minos can only ever pursue or overrun 1d6 (they can now overrun)

Chariots STILL CORE

Centigor, still special not fast cav. No drunken every turn, instead roll a dice at the beginning of the game. Effects range from +2 I, to -1 movement to something else he couldn't remember.

New unit Harpies

New unit. Some kind of jabberwoky thing. Enemy units in 12" take Ld check, for every number they fail by take a wound no armour. seemed to be 5's across the board. If it takes a wound in combat enemy takes a S5 hit. 275 points.

Think he said about a gorgon thing, mainly 6's.

There was a normal giant, then there was a cyclops giant which was basically a giant with only Ld8, but armed with a stone thrower and every (enemy?) wizard within 24" has to pass a leadership check or not be able to cast spells.

That's all I've got for now.

Hopefully I'll be getting to look myself in the next couple of days so more info to come.

Die neuen Regeln scheinen mir typisch für diese Edition zu sein (natürlich nur, falls die Regeln so bleiben).

Das mit Minotauren ist doof. Können nicht mal mehr richtig verfolgen.

Neues Monster ist klar, dass was in der Richtung dazukommt.

Und Steinewerfender Cyclob... Wie ich sehe haben sie endlich meinen Brief bekommen (Hab tatsächlich mal einen Brief an GW geschrieben, wo ich genaud das vorgeschlagen habe.) aber hey, solange sie die Reichweite in Grenzen halten ist das schon ok. Dass sie auf diese Weise Kriegmaschinen bekommen, finde ich akkzeptabel.

Got to read it myself as well.

Gorgon ( i think it was) looks like a giant minotaur, and eats people

Cygor is a cyclops giant-gor that gets rerolls to hit against undead, daemons (I think) and things with ward saves. Tragically WS2. Stone Thrower.

Jabbersclyth is the jabberwocky thing. Flying, poison, terror, largetarget, 12" tounge attack, strength 5


Doombulls have D3 impact hits, normal minos have 1 each. Each round of combat won gives minos an extra frenzy attack for that combat (lost if combat ends or you lose a round).

Beastlord allows a reroll on the beastial roll when fighting against humans (Empire and Bretonians) which basically means it's likely the unit will get what is effectively eternal hatred. Something to do with insane courage adding in Frenzy to the unit he's with with that in-combat-roll thing

Great Bray Shaman are T5.

The Wild Lore has a spell that summons either a Jabber, Giant, Cygor or Gorgon from a board edge of your choice. Not RIP, but may aswell be from the desription. If the monster takes a wound then the caster takes a T test to see if they take a wound. If the caster dies then the monster disappears.

Lords & Heroes

Beastlord/Wargor ? Ld 9, T5, with appropriate price hikes. May take Chaos Armour. May be accompanied by a 'pet' Revered Beast Spawn.

Great Bray-Shaman/Bray-Shaman ? T5. Beast Spawn as above, access to new Lore. Bray-Staff may come as standard.

Doombull? The Doombull will still allow Minotaurs as Core. Causes D3 Impact Hits on the charge.

Centigor Hero - Aside from the Centigor Special Character, it has been rumoured that there will be a Centigor character available as a standard Hero choice.

Core

Gor Herds - A ranked unit. Foe-Renders will no longer provide +1Ld. Equipment options as now.

Ungor Herd - A seperate Ungor unit, with the option for Spears, Shields and Shortbows. 20x20mm bases. Ranked, with a skirmish option.

Bestigor Herds ? Bestigors may capture enemy Standards upon winning a round of combat, thereby depriving them of their bonuses - this allows the Bestigors to gain the bonuses of the captured standard themselves.

Warhounds - Varieties of Warhounds allowed through upgrades - Hunting, Guarding, etc.

Tuskgor Chariot ? Ridden by Ungor.

Special

Centigor Herd ? Not Fast Cavalry. New Drunken Rules, rolled for at the start of the game (as Eye of the Gods or Possessed).
Minotaurs ? Access to Additional Handweapons, Great Weapons, Full Command, and possibly Shields. Still Core with Doombull. The only "Ogre-Sized" infantry in the list. Frenzied upon winning a round of combat, gaining an additional attack per round of combat won as they go deeper into their bloodgreed. Only ever pursue and overrun D6". Cause one impact-hit on the charge.

Razorgor - The previously mentioned "Gruulgor". A warthog-esque lone monster.

Razorgor Chariot ? Ridden by Gor, pulled by Razorgor.

Harpies - As in the Dark Elf book.

Rare

Chaos Giant ? As in WoC book. May be upgraded into a Cygor, who may throw boulders as a stone thrower, has WS2 and Ld8, and re-rolls failed hits again Undead, Daemons, and models with Ward Saves.

Spawn ? Assumed to be as in WoC book. Possibility of slight changes with regards to "Marks".

Gorgon ? A new monster, based around the Catoblepas. Chariot-base, with Movement 8 and stats in the 5s, with Impact Hits and a Breathweapon. No model has been reported.

Jabbersclyth - A new monster, based around the Jabberwock of Wonderland fame. A Flying, Terror-Causing Large Target with Poisoned Attacks, Poisoned Blood, and a 12" tongue ranged weapon.

beastlord now LD9
wargor LD8
both have T 5

doombull is a lot better as you can now give him any magic items not just weapons
also a hero choice gorbull
both do d3 impact hits
slaughterer's call - all minos become frenzy, loose primal fury, think you declare when to use it

no marks bt deamonic gifts such as 15pts for 5+ scaly skin, 20pts? for +1 attack etc

they have made it so there is no point in taking herds anymore as chariots are core at 80pts each, you can have a unit of crapy ungore short bow raider skirmshers for 60pts for 10.

harpies are a special along with minos, who are 55pts basic, great weapon is +8pts. come with light armour basic and you can buy shields for 4 or 8. they get 1 impact hit each though at S5. bloodgreed changed to gain frenzy but always over run 1d6.

bestigor are gash so no point there.

razorgor are quite interesting, move 7, 4 attacks each at S5, but get +1 S on the charge and cause fear, T5 at 3 wounds each. only LD6 though so a unit of 3 for 165pts might be worth it for a special?

they can also pull chariots but why when the core one is soooo much cheaper [65pts cheaper in fact].

right then these 4 types of giant

1st type is a giant

2nd - jabbercrapname - fly,terror,immune to psych, any unit within 12 takes a LD check or suffers 1 wounds with no save, 5 attacks,T5, 5 or 6 wounds, pretty poo

3rd - cyclops dude - all enemy wizards with line of site take LD check, if fail, any failed attempts to cast spells = miscast, gets re-roll hits in combat against magic users, carrys massive rocks, treated as stone thrower with no min range.

4th - ghorgon - everything 6 S6, T6, W6, stubborn immune to psych 10 terror, can swap all its attacks for one hit which killing blows on 4+. if he does killing blow the he regains d3 wounds back.

law of the wild is pretty gash aswell
default- all units within 6 move d6+1, but can't charge 7+
5d6 S1 hits 7+
summon giant, ghorgon, or jabbercrap 16+, but then the wizard can't do anything else and probably dies afterwards.

4 others that are mmmmmmmmmmmmm plain.

magic items
big meat cleaver is win on the doombull, give him a million attacks at S6

spear for 50 that acts as a bolt thrower in combat

stonecrusher mace? remembered it was ok

no ward in the book, apart from one which gives you 2+ against flaming, and 4+ for your unit, so jog on cockthirster and tzeentch but thats it

regen is with light armour for 50pts

crown of horns 75pts, make you stubborn

banner 75pts give unit +1S

horn to allow all units within 36 to re-roll primal fury 50pts

staff of darkhoth casts crapy spell to move but not charge



primal fury - nearly everything has it, roll LD check when in combat, if you pas you get hatred, if you get double 1, hatred and frenzy

you can ambush, but not like the old. now you roll 1 dice for each unit you are ambushing
1 - you loose the scent [oh no] = your opponent chooses which board edge they come on from
2/3 - dont arrive yet
4 - left board edge
5 - right board edge
6 - beasts choose

you can only ambush a herd if you have a unit of the same type and at least equal unit size already on the board deployed normally